Nada Surf

Part 1

0:00Alright, so here with Matthew the band now to serve music box in LA So that show off always love my favorite track up. You know, I'm first single off the record Song stuff lifting the whole album's gonna get that whole theme as you said in a couple interviews Yeah, you know overcoming obstacles very positive thing. That's the songs about yeah. Yeah I like that because most of the songs have to do that kind of stuff. I guess it was in a way And not really intentional. I think it was a it was a situational concept album in that I don't mean to be KG is something I don't want to talk about but you know I had a kind of rough couple years and and the escape that music offered went from being an option to a necessity and And and also as the band you know as the years go by I've become more and more grateful

0:49For what it does to me mood wise, you know like emotionally Yeah, that being in the band and playing songs and touring and all the stuff really makes me very happy and and and writing Positive songs is is a you know is a way to kind of send myself a letter in the future yeah from a Positive self that's probably more positive than I actually am like always love for example it was a really beautiful day and The kind of beautiful day that goal you guys here or well you guys up in Canada must make me not as much as that Where we are right now It was a it was this incredibly beautiful day in New York, you know the kind of spring day That's like rejuvenating, you know gives you like this energy of life and and I knew it was time for us to crank out

1:36Some songs and and Ira our drummer is a frustrated songwriter. He really doesn't write, but I know he really wants to and So I invited him over and I gave him a guitar I said you take this one. I'm gonna take this other guitar. You stay here in the living room I'm gonna go in the bedroom and let's just Have a song factory. Let's just write, you know And I would never normally think that way because I can't do it on purpose, but it was just the day that was so nicely thought well Let's capture this so let's try and you know whatever this feeling is of spring like let's try and get it down and and so I went into my room and and It's lucky, you know 15 minutes later. I had that song and yeah And and I you know probably like missing a few words But it generally you know most of it was there It wasn't I mean what I tend to do is write like minute long songs

2:25And then if I really like it then there's there's some way to get it to three minutes You know what I mean, but I'd written the minute I'd written the core of it and But it's more positive than than than I actually am Good good to buckle that But you know it's more positive than I actually am And so every time that we play it it's like I'm getting a letter from That's cool. Yeah, so let's play that song now for a single Your life is just a choice But I never He's

3:12He will get you every time Always Don't wait till the finish The rest up Always Your life is just a choice

5:02But I never want to know Nice, yeah, it's nice

6:03After all this time like you said some down years for yourself. Yeah pretty cool, man I'm very happy about the way this record was received and I'm very happy about the way like goes received and it just feels You know things are going really well. Yeah, right now. It's important to which is amazing. Yeah, especially in this day and age I mean do you think that's the way things are changing? Obviously things are changing that way with my space You don't really need a major label anymore, right and you've learned that yeah, absolutely We certainly don't need one and we're much better off off one, you know we It's maybe it's cheesy to talk about numbers But let me just say for example that our first album high-low worldwide sold 340,000 copies and we made zero dollars Sales though Yeah, and that royalty rate so small and you know, it's just it's a nightmare and now

6:51You know like oh sold 50,000 and we're happily paying our rent, you know everything's cool Now I heard you actually paid for the record by going out on tour for a month. That's right. Yeah, that's right More bands should be doing things like that you think yeah, yeah, I think a lot of bands are yeah I think a lot of bands are you know just go out and sell you know merchant actually an unbelievably it's a boon for everyone because because You know fans get to buy records and t-shirts cheaper than they would in stores Bands make more off it and it enables you to do some more recording and get more records out there. It's really it's it's a it's the American dream And I mean that continentally Money from the desert life, but all their money from touring was right right right amazing. Yeah, yeah pretty cool second single Yeah, the second single it's very hard to say it's either going to be do it again do it against kind of like that's my favorite song

7:42Isn't that sorry? No, it's blankest. No blank is here. I'm sorry. I think blank is here is actually the next single in Germany But yeah, I think it's probably gonna be doing it again concrete bed seems to be also getting some Not a surf you mentioned Germany huge overseas last I'll not didn't do so well out here. Yeah amazing the overseas

10:29Why do you think the the change in people? Well, I think the thing about our career overseas is that it was normal Proctomy fact actually came out when we made it. Yeah, you know, so we never really disappeared over there and we've been playing the same clubs and In Germany for example, we play the same five cities every single time. We've been to those same clubs Again and again and again for 10 years. It's not particularly growing, but it's just nice and solid whereas here all of a sudden What's great is it in in in America? It's you know, it's really the live thing is growing so actually bigger here now than we are there but Yeah, I think it was just some kind of consistency that we weren't able to sustain here You mentioned Germany and you were playing the Beatles before you played like the Star Club in Hamburg. No, we haven't played the Star Club

11:16I haven't I think it maybe is I know I was been to the Reaper barn. I didn't I Our nights in in Hamburg. I tend that there's some journalists there I really like that that come to come to the shows and we usually just go to a bar and hang out and talk and stuff I haven't really been going out out out out in Hamburg But but in general just going out in Europe is great because the music in the bar is tends to be a little better, you know Cool. You mentioned about 70 effect. Let's play Iraq song off that record. What's your favorite off the record? It's probably the first song hyperspace. That's probably my favorite dad and 81 does Cool. You can feel some old not a sir. All right Yep, big fan of his work. That's what you got. I am for sure

20:47in the band kind of bringing them in. No, that was me And I think that's that's probably why we're on Barsook is that is that I had a friend I used to work a guitar world at the magazine and so I've friends with some publicists and stuff and A friend of mine sent me the very first death cab record or something about airplanes And from from the beginning I was like who the hell is this this is great. It's really really good And I even liked the font You know, I even liked the way the record looked and so that made me Like barsook off the bat so we just I just kind of had them on my radar for a long time And um when we toured for the proximity effect when we put ourselves but we took Rylo Kylie out on their first national tour And there that record is something better Take off the landings Another airplane related title was coming out on on on Barsook and so I I was in touch with them and I was finishing

21:37We were finishing let go. I was sort of at the rough mix stage and I was asking Josh from Barsook for advice about What who I should call to put it out because I really dreaded the idea of shopping it around You know, I tried to bend through all that and I really wanted nothing to do with it And he was like, well, let me hear it and I like it. I was like cool. Well, let's do it And you know, it took a few months, but you know, we looked around a little bit But it just seemed like they were totally cool people and then had their hearts in the right place and were or a right place, sorry And and really rational and and great taste and so it's it's a good match for us. We're very happy there. But anyway, so Chris. Yeah, so um When we were finishing let go actually doing mixes um We didn't have a lot of money at all and we were just kind of pulling favors

22:24Here and there and and Chris was willing to do a couple of mixes for Crazy cheap stupid cheap And so I flew out to Seattle to meet him To meet him to to do the mixes and he had one day off in between Tours he had the flu and he had a new girlfriend so he should not have been in studio But but he's just a he's a rock soldier, you know, you wanted to do it and and he did it so fast And his mix of sorry to get a little technical Although maybe it's not that technical, but his his mix of happy kid for example We only had an hour left because he'd spent a bunch of time on blizzard of 77 which we did use in kelly and sledge which we ended up not using Um But so happy kitty i'd like god, I don't know an hour hour and a half left So he spent the hour just getting all the levels and setting the compressors and he queuing everything And then he said I think I got it and he hit play

23:13And there was the mix not a single mute not a fader move nothing He just got the he just got the sound to work And so that that's my favorite mix because there's nothing going on It's just the band playing and he just said everything so that so that we sounded at our best, you know And you know it's really great to work with so we thought well, you know if you want to if you want to do the next one and he did so So we went to um holla justice, which is a studio that he and barsook own in in seattle and um I was really underprepared I'd written a ton of songs, but I hadn't finished very many Um, so that that was rough with that was a couple of weeks and and uh, you know I was always hoping I wish that chris like was a smoker or something so that he would have to take a break I would get a little more slack, you know, because we were like

23:59You know, he's like, okay. I'm ready to go show you hit record and we're like no Just need to see me. I was gonna work out this ending here and then meanwhile in the in the live room Okay ending is like the ending what about the chorus is this work? Is this something happening? You know it wasn't good Um, but it was fun because we you know we got used to working together And then a few months later we came back and all went to tiny telephone in seattle just go on by john van der slice And that was great and we spent a month and knocked it out Yeah, we'll finish it up there. That's the way that's the way it always goes Uh always I mean the last two and certainly our future records is that we we make the The rock rock in the studio together, but then to do the vocals and all the little finishing touches Um, yeah, bring it home. Yeah. Yeah, working with christmas studio. I can imagine me as a polished musician

24:47And as a producer, I know you work with rick hocus like back then. Yeah, it's just been just a thrill of yourself. Yeah, he's great What what does he bring into the project like does he bring in the like the lead riffs and say this is how you should play it Oh christ Yeah, like how does he do is it a producer because I mean I'd love to work Yeah, probably never gonna happen He just he just gets great sound and leaves it alone But he lets you guys be right everything put everything together and he'll just kind of yeah, but that's why we've always done it No one's ever written parts for us, but But it's very collaborative and and and and you know As the day goes by he ends up learning the songs and he added some bits, you know, he plays a The lead line in blankest year. That's him the sort of twinkly stuff on top of always love that's him Um in imaginary friends. There's a break in the middle where it sounds like a million pianos. That's him You know, he he's just brought his own musicality to it and and acted like a fourth member

25:36Um, but what we were really looking for and what and what he brought in spades was a certain consistency Like he really has a good sense. I've noticed on a death cab record beginning is that they're they're very elegant, you know Very measured. Yeah, very measured and and and everything is always sits well and that's what he was good at and and what was like very about that is that that is usually my role One of my roles is to kind of watch the big picture consistency But because I trusted his aesthetic so much I didn't really have to do that and I could just Continue to try and finish the songs, you know Totally You mentioned blankest year. Let's play out song. Okay cool You say uh, suck it. You're gonna have a party. That's right. That's right. Oh man

28:35I love this country And you said earlier in another interview you see the record is trying to find a new way of life for yourself Yeah, you know a party on the road now for you like the real dream as they say. Yeah. Yeah It kind of is and not not in that Classic party on the road meet way. I guess That song isn't so much about Party per se but about celebration and and choosing to celebrate, you know Uh, you know what there we were in the studio You know, we're with chris. We're a tiny telephone. We're all living in a house in san francisco together The band's really clicking the machine is oiled, you know, and I thought you know no matter what is going on the rest of my life This is a great thing. Yeah

29:21You know, I'm I'm a very lucky man To have this band and to be recording and and I you know, and I'm completely in love with rock and roll records And then we're making another one and you know, it was such a such an exciting time I thought you know what I'm gonna choose to be really happy right now. I'm just Yeah, you know Drop it all. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna really Notice this you know in a way It's kind of cool, you know because sometimes a lot of things you can kind of sleep walk through And and the title, you know, the way does a gift has to do with being awake kind of in that In that when things are tough, you know when you have challenges and obstacles. Well, one good thing is that it really And you're awake you're awake when you're struggling, you know, you know eyes eyes open and uh

30:12Yeah, anyway, and there's lyrical references to that Of course, well, you know, two titles on records anymore that actually described the record, you know, you're death cover plans It doesn't really sum up the record. All right, right, right. This one does. I thought it was really cool You just like that. Well, the title is like, you know, yeah, the theme of the record which is why I shoot with the concept thing Yeah, um, it's playing like two and something off the record. What do you want to hear? Um, I would love to well your legs grow. I like that one. Yeah, nice one. I like that one. Um, sort of how that sounds doesn't really rock on the radio, but It does well. Peaceful moments

31:07Teen years ago. Yeah, do you think it's um, well, I like the 60s personally. I'm a big 60s fan. I'm sure you choose what the way you record. So I'm playing the Beatles out here. Yeah, yeah

33:47Rock musicians have an influence on people's thought process and political thought process. Yeah It'd be nice to get back to that where you know people are rallying around musicians I guess that happened kind of for John Kerry with his Well death keb on the road as well and program all the stuff. Yeah, how do you feel about that? Like being a musician? Do you feel the necessity to kind of help people politically? Um, I I do I do I I I think You know certainly during right before the election when it was, you know a fine line and it seemed like you go either way If when I was standing in front of four or five hundred people I felt a moral obligation To speak my mind, you know because fox is out there speaking their minds. Uh, and not a particularly, um, morally sound way, you know, um so

34:34Yeah, I think you know, I just think I just think it's important for everybody to be talking. I wish people would talk about it more um in person, you know, I mean it's It's one thing to have to have these polemics or speeches come from from the tv or from the radio or from people on stage and all that but you know You just wish that people were more engaged politically in their every day lives Um, but you know what I think we're pretty I'm not speaking very Canada. I mean, I think oh we got a consumer government as well. Yeah I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, it certainly it certainly seemed like so like for so long in Canada seem like I'm just more rational place um But but in the in the state states, I just feel like there's a lot of um We're very passive, you know, we just kind of

35:22consumer culture is sitting back and you know eating the news like a like a donut or something, you know, it's very sad um And that you know one of my favorite buttons Back when there were a lot of buttons around during election time was a descent is patriotic Right. I like that, you know, because it's true to giving a shit about your country doesn't doesn't mean just obeying or or or swallowing Someone's opinion the means the way the government's made it seem like thinking about it Yeah, thinking about it and I'm the founding fathers would not like this administration. There is no way Well, they don't live your life. Yeah, there's no way exactly all they do is like it is It's incredibly sad man. It's like it's you feel a little bit that the slope is just tipping it's tipping, you know, I read um

36:08I should have saved it, but I remember in the it was a New York Times editorial written by a German historian and he was saying that that um When the when the Nazi government was rising a lot of German intellectuals were like well, you know, obviously Obviously it's a terrible thing, but it's it's not gonna hold. Yeah, it's not gonna catch They're not they're not gonna be able to stick around and then before you know it Tilted completely and then they couldn't stop it. You know, so I think it'll change in a few years. How was you? two more years three years Doesn't six it'd be hard to believe it'd be hard to believe if another if another Republican was elected I don't know but you know it is possible because they've consolidated so much power that they Really just the only lessons anyways. Yeah, exactly exactly. You like a long thing. He'll get in

36:54Being a black. I do like I'd like to see him in. Yeah. Yeah, that would be great. I know I Well, I'm not ready for it. Obviously they're ready for it. Yeah, you know, I don't know I don't know if they are not I know exactly what you mean and I'm sad to say I don't know if they're ready for Hillary either Yeah, I don't know what they're ready for Yeah Because then Everyone would rally around it would be perfect. He'd be the first man. It'd be so great. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I miss him terribly. I think he was the best we had for a long time. I agree. Um, let's play another song I just used to be going down here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a little sad around here I don't want to play. I'm gonna play you all's a game. Excellent Am called not a surf talking with the lead singer Matthew cause I like I risk things on the drum

40:59He's got the mirrors all around this. Yeah, yeah, Carson daily and Craig Ferguson all that stuff. Yeah He just started recently and um And I I for one I for one gave him shit at first because I was like That's a fucking drum instructional dealie going here and then you know what it looks it looks great And so I was like well, let's get more so for a while. We had six across the whole Uh then one broke so now it's five but but I think it'd be fun to have a Tap one huge mirror kind of hanging over the stage because then the audience could look at themselves Which I think it's kind of nice because then you could see yourself in the moment, you know, especially yeah, yeah Yeah, um you shouldn't a lot of hip hop lately, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah Any live covers come out Covers, you know fish does that gin and juice? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah I know I like that Ben Folds one too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, not quite there

41:48I'm kind of I'm pulling out of it a little bit because that The reason I was listening to so much hip hop was because I really needed a good escape and and hearing people sing just like love songs and stuff was like not Helping but hearing people sing about crime was like it was so different from my life that it really was taking me away You know so my favorite things being seagull is one of my favorites. I love Nas Yeah, um in the New York way. Yeah, yeah, great great stuff. Just great and I love Timbaland as a producer He's really good, but yeah, we were trying work with a pop producer. I think that'd be kind of interesting Yeah, I love the approach is so amazing. They're so free, you know So inventive and stuff and Because yeah rock rock music can be very you know the the bass drums and guitar and keyboards can be like it's so Everyone's playing all the time just because well

42:33I'll go have a part. I'm gonna put them apart. You know it's not Not quite um things come in and know they have up songs. Yeah. Yeah, they blend well It's cool maybe one day one day. Yeah. Yeah. We just think I'll show up week five questions five quick questions one more to answer Okay, cool first ones iPod or CDs CDs for the last gazillion years iPod as of a month ago. Oh, really? Yeah, I made the switch Yeah, it's gruesome. It's all good. Um, let it in a recuriting Let it alcohol in marijuana. I want to song you Britain. You're most proud of There's a new one called I like what you say. It's not out yet. I think it's gonna be in a movie Um, don't even know that yet. There's no title yet and stuff uh of songs that we've recorded Um, I don't know. I think do it again is is maybe my favorite. Yeah in one word not a surf

43:20Um, I'm posting a pop in your head. Hopefully Cool. Yeah. Thank you so much. Let's play do it again. Sounds like we've played it before. Awesome Really appreciate it. Nice talking to you. Thank you so much. Really had a good time

Part 2

0:00and that he met good last time you're on the show was like spring of oh six just uh... just after our federal election appear actually apologize to me excrement la that uh... we got a conservative government up here uh... speaking of which headlines let you know what do you think uh... well i mean i guess it's all good the only thing i sort of wish in a way that obama just kept sweeping things because a showdown between the two of them is just going to be one more thing it'll so dominate the news for the next however many months there'll be no coverage of anything else and no one will learn anything about anything and though i think she might actually i think she might be a better president than he would be i think the global impact

0:45of having a really a new president rather than someone from the dynasty exactly and him in particular i think would do more in terms of helping people believe that the states are still a viable country that can redeem itself yeah i was well i can't remember who i was watching on cn yesterday someone in all the coverage mentioned something that uh... you know kid in iraq or whatever turns on the tv and as this thought about america this you know parents have been preaching for years and whatnot and then sees obama's face every every perception is ever had america completely changes yeah i think it would really really be a good thing what about uh... the republican to you for that so before anybody well i guess i guess i'd rather have a king than anyone else yet what about ron paul what do you think i'm

1:31i like them i guess i do like him i'll ever win unfortunately but he's cool yeah yeah he's cool that's no you're right we got you on the phone to talk about music is a good okay lucky company see these bones first track on the record free download on your my space page that your ideas that something labeled it also something labeled it but it makes sense you know and we let them pick it just because we're we have a luxury of beyond label that we trust i'm a rich a lot of our super-class time yeah that's great man that that's you know like when it's time to sequence the record he actually like put into his vote and and it comes with like a three page explanation you know he really really cares uh... josh rosenfeld who uh... president of our school

2:17well tell us about roe mister on the couple of seconds but let's play right now okay see these bones brand new from not a surf everyone's right no one is sorry start any and of the story from the sharks and the jets to the call one is sorry the story from the sharks and the jets to the call in the morning

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7:25first single see these bones available free on their my space page my space dot com flash not a surf mat cos we sing from that band on the phone we talked about politics earlier tell me what roman is this temple where you got where you see these plaques and got a couple lyrics from a lot of stuff yeah well i was a friend in roe and uh... she was uh... bring me to some places really off the beaten path like the acatholic cemetery which is a cemetery where all the non catholic seborried that's a very interesting people so she took me to the crypt of the capuchin month which is this incredible uh... series of rooms full of uh... bones of four thousand months and the bones are arranged in the incredible of patterns on the wall

8:11and and and very artistically back back and uh... some chandeliers made of children's tibia i mean just absolutely not um... more bitter or cool both absolutely more bid first of all but but uplifting because the it's not there to be gory it's it's there as a reminder of where we're going and as encouragement to embrace life and to see how valuable it is and really remain awake to it every day and i find that very difficult to do personally you know it's so easy to get wrapped up in one's own

8:57machinations and you know to get lost in your head in an unhealthy way and that happens to me all the time and those rooms really woke me up to the physical fact you know you're here now your heart is beating now absolutely miraculous machine that your body is is working and functioning and young now so you have to you better be grateful and there were these plaques uh... on the floor of these rooms and i lifted the chorus of cv's bones pretty much directly from them um... they said what we are now you will be what you are we once were yeah it was really deeply ricks and i read that you that you left in one of the placos i could have lifted uh...

9:43off of the fact that they do not enter and it could be a bit of a call do not enter i was elected it didn't say maximum weight two thousand pounds or thirteen people you choose a good sign bend givers on the track but no christ wall at this time around after working on the record last time yeah he he made the whole record last time he there are two songs on this record one's called are you lightning and the other one's called the fox that are left over from christmas session so you're going to go yeah that's what it's present is there was play one of the songs let's play uh... let's do the fox brand new from non-assert that one's called the fox produced by chris waller from death caprocute

15:51got mac calls on uh... on the phone right now their new record lucky in th door's february fifth new single cv's bones amazing download at my space dot com slash non-serve completely free another older to shows up on the record to i like what you say yeah uh... i recorded at a couple of times uh... was it a new recording this time around from the john togar mr santra yes because i felt like it was missing a few words and i added them and we decided to get a crack at it okay cool tell me what this cassette solo on it so yeah well this is before there were enough words i thought and uh... i was making the first version and just needed to do something to fill up some space and i had with me uh... my plain old radio shack paper corner

16:37uh... that i record songs onto and and i had uh... a cassette the demo of that song you know just my home guitar and local demo and i thought i would take a cassette solo so i i fast-forward and then rewound violently for you know ten or twenty seconds and ended up breaking the machine unfortunately but i got it on tape that we've made we should do a version of the phone with the cassette solo really having loud live bring it up today bring it up this afternoon the first record and just throw that out with so what's the deal with today's set uh... was the first picture yet it's just to get to get to out of three of us uh... daniel is in maraca um... so it's just a mean ira and he'll be playing a flamenco percussion box

17:24called a kahon she sits on and i'll just have a guitar and we will sing some news some old some bar some blue in the first shows in septober uh... yeah well we we did one kind of like this in the bar in minneapolis two nights ago uh... and then and we've been to europe since just doing some from a but yeah you're right for sure so far you have a big leg in europe coming up to my gracious we do you know we got a lot of like some of them the veritable spider next year particular who's open for you we're taking out a band called the little ones okay and then what made milwaukee famous never heard of them they from milwaukee uh... you know i think they're from texas they're another burship and

18:10and then in europe or two ring of segue all nice yeah it's awesome you heard it yeah i have i think i'm a couple of songs or do you really yeah uh... chicago x twelve let's play that too i love that you know you're on it new from rogue chicago x twelve x twelve got lead singer of not a surf mackecos on the phone he sings

24:02harmonies on that track here you know that it's amazing so let's go back to your new record the yummy record lucky at february fifth why don't you let's play something else to something anything what do you want to hear after the record or fantastic what i'd love to have a little play who's already i like that to very poppy although you know what my secret hope uh... the beautiful beat will sound really great on the radio i think it's all about songs the song about rock music but she played that that would be very funny tell you what let's play both of them okay awesome before that beautiful beat

32:00got lead singer of not a surf mackecos on the phone lot of beach boys harmonies on this record yeah um... well it's pretty purely accidental uh... i do most of the harmony thing myself and i tend to just uh... what's the lead vocals done i'd just uh... run the song again and again and make stuff up and see what happens and then turn off anything bad and turn up anything good and so it's yet pretty pretty messy you'll construct but if it comes out cool and glad for sure you listen a lot of each one i sure did yeah definitely uh... i had i joined the rca record club when i was eleven endless summer was one of my pick i love that record and then i had the sort of great fits volume one and two with you know little do scoop a little hard and then like everybody else

32:47at some point in my twenties i listened to pet sounds and had my mind completely blown to tiny pieces and uh... yeah i put them on down again i guess i also just like a lot of bands that are influenced by those harmonies you know even bizarrely like you know t h kenklaub sing harmonies like big star and big star sing harmonies like well i don't know is it the beatles are maybe it's the beach boys you know even where it comes from and so many people from the beach boys too and they really just invented a whole they invented i think that's a blind feeling you know you feel like you just can't really follow a particular line and it felt like the whole thing's taking off i remember listening to so much uh... cross-beat stills in the national level

33:33and and also that i find this with the birds as well like they're hard to sing along to because so many the different vocal lines are catchy that you keep jumping from one to the other you know like it's always morphing uh... i love that i like it when it's a little confusing like that it's like that all over your record too and i love it right on man right on let's play another track of it okay i think we're just talking about beach boys harmonies things like that yeah that's kind of the rocker on the record yeah go for it i like it there's

34:21there's no that's it's it's

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36:26that you caused the singer not a surf on the phone

37:32let's give a complete contrast to that with the film did not go around a cover yes a cover yeah that's that's uh... uh... written by greg peterson to the musical partner of leanne smith and leanne smith is a friend of mine who was directly across the street from me and she is from the apple is and was in a bank called safety last and she was friends with uh... with his kardu and replacements and all those guys and i believe that twin-tone offered her a deal to make a record and she was nervous about the studio and she never did it but everyone knew and and i knew as soon as i met her i met her through some friends um... socially but then when when you hear a thing it's just ridiculous and i love that she does on that song but it doesn't really represent really

38:19she does her own thing incredibly well and it's like her sound her voice sounds like it's coming from a radio from forty years ago something out of time incredible like you could do dust on it or something really nave and she'll make a really great record one day and she's someone to watch i think leanne smith the shutter clicked but the film did not go round the shutter clicked but the film did not go round touchy strings cannot touch the sound

39:07take a train to a bus and then into the air take a train to a bus and then into the if i had wings i'd follow you up there need to see i hate to see you go

39:52sunlight follows you right down the road so thought of you makes me wanna cross the thought of you makes me wanna cross deep well of tears has just run dry yourself love sometimes love sometimes

41:06if not now at the end of your lifetime things we cannot touch the sound

42:02close-up track yeah right i'm glad you think so i i like it i think it's a little bit of a left turn drops you off a little somewhere different from where you got picked up yeah exactly go look at that but it's not using that never yet five questions i want to see if you answer them the same as you did last time okay quick questions one word answers i thought of cds well now to now want to final but i'll have to say i thought that i know you can say yeah i'll vinyl lennon and mccourtney lennon alcohol or marijuana marijuana but i quit but i prefer it but i had to quit song you've written your most proud of

42:48mmm right now here goes something cool we should put it in a second one word not a surf bittersweet i guess there you go last time you said hopeful oh yeah i was about to that really yeah i really i was thinking that and then i was thinking that's not funny i was about to help pull here goes something i heard it's gonna be in junk use that movie what's the deal oh no i didn't make it i got dropped i wrote it for john kusac movie i wrote it for uh... martian child and uh... because when they asked me i was in like a box or whatever it was a conference room where i were not just played a few songs for the music supervisors and they said would you like to write a song for a scene i said well i don't know how does that work and it said well it's a scene about a a guy who

43:35who's single and who out of nowhere has a young son but this guy adopts him but basically was about coming to terms of being a father and and was gonna have a lot yeah i was what really i think i could identify with that a little bit you sure uh... and i was i really love the song because the script was a really happy script and i and i'm so often written kind of you know a little sad that kind of songs and here it was just like a love song to my son just purely purely joyous and that and i felt so lucky to pushed in that direction when we handed the song in i almost regretted it because i wanted to keep it and so when it got turned down in the end i was like because i know we could put on the record there you go here goes something brand new from non-assert

44:48and he's gay she goes on did she go on i've changed from a great gravity success once taken off changing speed but i'm right inside

45:40your majesty your majesty chasing don't do that into me instead chasing why don't do that how cool yeah and what a great voice yet do you have a lot of people in the

46:27well you know what's worth so much but uh... i i know ben from years and years ago and we had the same manager uh... for starting and he was in radish so yeah i mean i seem around now again don't know well but i really like his record especially like that song of reasons only and that one that's a super classic awesome well it's been great talking always always appreciate it you too was it with the song ice on the wing that song is about the feeling that you can have that um... you're the ex your father plus your mother equal x equals you know you're you're just the sum of what they are and of course you're a new version of it but i was thinking about where you come from and how you really made of your of your ancestors and uh... my my grandfather

47:12was a short man but a man's man's man and i'm not a man's man's man's but sometimes i wish i was looking for that in my in my blood uh... he was a fighter pilot in world war one and he was shot down behind enemy alarms and he crash into a tree which saved his life but he fell out of the tree into quicksand and started thinking and he began kicking which you're not supposed to do in quicksand it makes you think faster but he remembered a childhood story about a frog who fell in the bucket of of milk and started kicking to save himself in the military and he was able to scramble out and some of my grandfather was kicking in the quicksand and his

48:00boot hit the root of a tree and he managed to push himself out um... but then of course he was stuck by an enemy line but any other thing that's funny is that he wants uh... land is from a dogfight where you know shot down three germans or something and uh... his friends noticed that he had uh... uh... bullet trace on top of his leather helmet uh... a bullet had missed him by a centimeter and he said that ever since then he was glad to be short matthew thank you so much thanks so much